Re: browser requirement and guidelines.

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From: Anna Maurer (annam@uclink.berkeley.edu)
Date: Fri Jul 11 2003 - 16:11:08 PDT

It all depends on what design you decide on. NN4 doesn't hate all CSS-P.
This page displayed just fine in NN4.78. It even degraded nicely in NN3 (my
"no CSS" browser).

http://www.projectseven.com/whims/cssp_3box/3boxnoscript.htm

Besides, when you think of everything else users can do to us that we have
to worry about; PC vs Mac, 15" monitor vs 21" monitor, 640x480 vs 1600x1200
resolution, maximized vs small screen browsing,
graphics/colors/fonts/css/javascript vs none of the above, the multitude of
browsers and versions, adding NN4 support is sometimes not that difficult.

Speaking of Javascript support, I can highly recommend Mozilla 1.4
(Netscape 7.1) for detailed control over Javascript. Allows rollovers, but
blocks pop-ups, among other things. Pretty nifty.

Regards,

Anna

At 03:42 PM 7/11/2003 -0700, Adam Hochman wrote:
>Hi Anna,
>I'd like to use CSS-P, but NN4.7 isn't too fond of that technology. I
>want to avoid using tables to define my presentation layer, but I may have
>to comprimise. C'est la vie.
>~Adam
>
>
>At 03:30 PM 7/11/2003 -0700, Anna Maurer wrote:
>>Hi Adam,
>>
>>Jeff's right - there aren't any campus minimum browser levels, other than
>>"make sure it's accessible as per ADA guidelines." Your miminum browser
>>level depends on what you want the site to accomplish, what users you
>>have, and what users you WANT to have. It's not too difficult these days
>>to have sites that "work" in NN4 (different CSSs work great). It's as
>>Jeff says - sites may not be as attractive as with later browsers, but
>>the users will still get the info.
>>
>>Regarding stats, website stats on what people are actually using are very
>>valuable. I still have a large number of Netscape/IE 4 and below
>>users. Given that we're into Netscape 7 and IE 6, they must have a
>>*good* reason not to upgrade.
>>
>>Regarding guidelines, check out what system/OS/browser your boss and your
>>boss's boss use at work and home. They're the ones approving your site. <grin>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Anna
>>
>>At 02:18 PM 7/11/2003 -0700, Jeffery Kahn wrote:
>>>Adam,
>>>
>>>Long and short of it: because the campus is decentralized when it comes to
>>>computer support, there are no campuswide guidelines dictating a minimum
>>>browser level.
>>>
>>>My group runs the Gateway and NewsCenter sites. The Gateway was developed
>>>several years ago and is readable by older browsers (and there is a text
>>>only
>>>version of each file for Section 508 folks). The NewsCenter, which
>>>debuted in
>>>February, uses CSS. We provide a separate style sheet for browsers
>>>predating
>>>IE5 and Netscape 5. But anybody using these antique browsers gets
>>>a visually
>>>poorer version of the NewsCenter than what those with a 21st century browser
>>>see.
>>>
>>>Jeff Kahn
>>>
>>>**********************************************
>>>Manager, UC Berkeley Gateway & NewsCenter sites
>>>Office of Public Affairs
>>>jbk@pa.urel.berkeley.edu
>>>510-643-0706
>>>***********************************************
>>>
>>>On 11 Jul 2003, at 13:26, Adam Hochman wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello,
>>> > I am new to the campus and I was wondering if there are any
>>> guidelines for
>>> > browser requirements on campus. Do most departments support NN
>>> 4.x.? Are
>>> > there any stats that I can look at? I am also looking for formal
>>> > guidelines created within individual departments on campus. Can anyone
>>> > share their coding, browser, usability, design, or documentation
>>> > guidelines? I am trying to create internal guidelines for my department
>>> > and this would be very helpful.
>>> > Best Regards,
>>> > Adam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Adam Hochman
>>> > Web Project Manager
>>> > Educational Technology Services
>>> > UC Berkeley, California
>>> > 510-642-8593
>>> >
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>>>
>>>**********************************************
>>>Jeffery Kahn
>>>Manager, UC Berkeley Gateway & NewsCenter sites
>>>Office of Public Affairs
>>>jbk@pa.urel.berkeley.edu
>>>510-643-0706
>>>***********************************************
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